So what are you saying, that you believe in the theory of evolution as truth for our planet and all of mankind?

Although an impressive piece of work I don’t think Darwin believed it himself.

Consider;

“To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest possible degree.”

Simon Ewins just like the religious zealots he fights try to make the bible say something other than it is actually saying allow me to take only a few of his examples and show that here.

1. He created evil (Lam. 3:38, Jer. 26:3, 36:3, Ezek. 20.:25-26, 1 Sam. 16:23, 18:10, Isaiah 45:7)

Duh! this is like saying that cars are not useful because they burn gasoline instead of diesel fuel which is 50% more efficient then gasoline. God told the first of us not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Since we did it is now His fault for creating in us freewill.

2. He lied (Gen 2:17, 2 Sam. 7:13)

How preposterous is this premise that God lied Adam and Eve spiritually died and the throne is not of this world. Before the fall, man walked with God and talked with Him. The point is you cannot touch, smell, or see it. It is like insurance there if you need it!

3. He is indecisive (Gen. 18:17)

God says in Proverbs 15:29 The LORD is far from the wicked but he hears the prayer of the righteous. He was willing to listen to Abraham but the place was still destroyed. Putting anthropomorphic thinking on to God doesn’t work, because He is higher than our highest thought.

For your information I believe that charity exists in all types of people whether they be religious believers or otherwise. Canada itself is quite socialist in our laws. Our laws protect society as a whole not just the individual. Our population is a giving population that believe in justice for all. Now get ready for this (drum roll please) they are not all religious.

So if I offended you by my previous comments then I ask for forgiveness because my dialogue is definitely not about ripping you down or an attempt to make you feel lesser because of your adopted belief system.

Give and take is all it takes. I give, you take. You give, I take. Instead of acting all incredulous about my answers lets just answer and respect each other and yes I have gorged myself on the rhetoric of others. But then so have you. Perhaps we need ground rules. Instead of trying to make me look bad, try and respect my position. Which is a position of personal experience and although you don’t believe in God as I do. We should still be able to have meaningful dialogue without the need to show me how smart you think you are.

There are problems in both camps with bullshit from both sides and although that is true it doesn’t have to spill into our dialogue. We both agree that religion is a farce, we both agree that love is possible without religion, we both agree that we are human, we both agree we did not start this. And we can both agree to respect the others position, can’t we?

We are both incredible people and so are others. When you can see that in others they will see it in you. You want someone to be impressed with you. Well then be impressed with them. God thinks very highly of us human beings which reminds me of a story in Genesis 11. You know the one, the story of Babel which explains the all the different peoples of the earth and the different dialects as well.

Something from that story has always resonated in me since my first reading it. God thinks very highly of us so much so, that He said look at what they do if we allow them to this nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them.

The Tower of Babel

So the LORD scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. That is why it was called Babel —because there the LORD confused the language of the whole world. From there the LORD scattered them over the face of the whole earth.

I suppose it’s perfectly logical to believe in talking snakes and talking burning bushes, and people walking on water.

I’ve visited your beautiful country twice and I am very impressed.

And here we go again: Hitler’s interpretation of Darwins Theory, and subsequent actions, should have no bearing on the validity of the theory or on the character of Darwin himself. By your own logic, the bible should also be condemned because of all the madmen who over the years used biblical teachings to inflict untold suffering on humankind.

I would really find it hard to “love” someone who is credited with the following, as compiled by one Simon Ewins.
1. He created evil (Lam. 3:38, Jer. 26:3, 36:3, Ezek. 20.:25-26, 1 Sam. 16:23, 18:10, Isaiah 45:7)
2. He deceived (Jer. 4:10, 15:18, 20:7, 2 Chron. 18:22, Ezek. 14:9, 2 Thess. 2:9-12)
3. He told people to lie (Ex. 3:18, 1 Sam. 16:2)
4. He lied (Gen 2:17, 2 Sam. 7:13)
5. He rewarded liars (Ex. 1:15-20)
6. He ordered men to become drunken (Jer. 25:27)
7. He rewarded the fool and the transgressor (Prov.26:10)
8. He delivered a man, Job, into Satan’s hands (Job 2:6)
9. He mingled a perverse spirit (Isa. 19:14)
10. He spread dung on people’s faces (Mal. 2:3)
11. He ordered stealing (Ezek. 39:10, Ex. 3:22)
12. He made false prophecies (Jonah 3:4. Gen. 5:10)
13. He changed his mind (Jonah 3:10)
14. He caused adultery (2 Sam. 12:11-12)
15. He ordered the taking of a harlot (Hosea 1:2, 3:1-2)
16. He killed (Num. 16:35, 21:6, Deut. 32:39, 1 Sam. 2:26, Psalm 135:10)
17. He ordered killing (Lev. 26:7-8, Num. 25:4-5)
18. He had a temper (Deut. 13:17, Judges 3:8)
19. He was often jealous (Deut. 5:9, 6:15)
20. He wasn’t omnipresent (Gen. 3:8-9, Gen. 4:16, 11:5, 1 Kings 19:11-12)
21. He wasn’t omniscient (Gen. 3:8-9, Deut. 8:2, 13:3, 2 Chron. 32:31)
22. He often repented (Ex. 32:14, 1 Sam. 15:35)
23. He practiced injustice (Ex. 4:22-23, Joshua 22:20, Rom. 5:12)
24. He played favorites (Deut. 7:6, 14:2, 1 Sam. 12:22)
25. He sanctioned slavery (Ex. 21:20-21, Deut. 15:17)
26. He degraded deformed people (Lev. 21:16-23)
27. He punished a bastard for being illegitimate (Deut. 23:2)
28. He punished many for the acts of one (Gen. 3:16, 20:18)
29. He punished children for the sins of their fathers (Ex. 12:29, 20:5, Deut. 5:9)
30. He prevented people from hearing his word (Isa. 6:10, John 12:39-40)
31. He supported human sacrifice (Ex. 22:29-30, Ezek. 20:26)
32. He ordered cannibalism (Lev. 26: 29, Jer. 19:9)
33. He demanded virgins as a part of war plunder (Num. 31:31-36)
34. He ordered gambling (Joshua 14. 2, Num. 26:52, 55-56)
35. He ordered horses to be hamstrung (Joshua 11:6)
36. He sanctioned violation of the enemy’s women (Deut. 21:10-14)
37. He excused the beating of slaves to death (Ex. 21:20-21)
38. He required a woman to marry her rapist (Deut. 22:28-29)
39. He taught war (Psalm 144:1)
40. He ordered the burning of human feces to cook food (Ezek. 21:3-5)
41. He intentionally issued bad laws (Ezek. 20:25)
42. He excused the sins of prostitutes and adulterers (Hosea 4:14)
43. He excused a murderer and promised his protection (Gen. 4:8-15)
44. He killed a man who refused to impregnate his widowed sister-in-law (Gen. 38:9-10)
45. He is indecisive (Gen. 18:17)

And I still don’t get why we need “higher love” to prevent some unspecified calamity. We are only doomed if we continue to believe in absurdities.

Writing is just one of the ways I use to induce change. I am involved in other initiatives as well (charity being one); all non-violent, I may add.

I find it extremely annoying that religious people (or non-religious believers, in your case) always presume that non-believers (atheists/agnostics/secular humanists) cannot possibly be involved in anything that is moral, good, ethical or wholesome. Everything has to be predicated on belief.

Love and the experience of God?
So you admit that love is not predicated on a belief in a supernatural entity. We are making progress. I agree that the world needs more love, but that does not mean that everyone needs to get all religious or start believing in mythical beings, to give or show love.

Other beliefs other than Jesus Christ:
So other beliefs are not completely wrong, but yours is completely right? Right?
And thanks, but I don’t think I want a ride in your invisible chariot. I’ll take the mode of transport that I can touch, feel and see.

The borrowed myth of Jesus Christ as Messiah:
This is not a trend as in fashion. Its a growing body of evidence. And it wont become less trendy in a few years or months.
So, after two thousand years, the Romans are still to blame? Why? Have they got some magical grip on all Christians,that prevents them from changing all the wrong things?

Faith antithetical to Science:
This is so unbelievably absurd and disingenuous, that I don’t know whether to roll on teh floor laughing or tear my hair out. You have been gorging on the apologist rhetoric haven’t you? Yeah, I suppose if you look hard enough and bend the biblical texts to the right degree, you could find the theory of quantum electrodynamics or a bag-full of other scientific discoveries, somewhere in the bible? It’s just a pity that in two thousand years, nobody could figure out all the scientific facts contained in the bible. Who knows where mankind could have been today? Flying to the moon or other planets could have been like driving to the shop around the corner. Instead, people are still on their knees, praying for things to happen. Hell, I wonder why scientists are wasting their time at CERN, on the Large Hadron Collider? Maybe the Higgs Boson Particle they are looking for is hidden somewhere in the bible?

People who are too offended about what Lenny’s opinion is about this email have been too emotionally driven that they use God’s name to curse this person.

You stir up this feeling that you can’t believe that Lenny’s saying these.

It is only a simple thought, its either their time to die, or they were at the wrong place and time, or it is self-inflicted.

It is illogical to abandon your belief, but in order to truly know if you do believe in that which you say, you believe. Is to ask if you would die for that belief.

Today is remembrance day in Canada the whole country is shut down, as we honor those that died for us, that we may have a better life. A life that is built on democracy, free press, free thinking and the will to live.

If nobody fought we may not be here to issue our thoughts freely via the internet and the wireless communications we have today.

If nobody fought for the right to co-exist then we would have fallen prey to the Nazi’s and their Darwinian belief of a master race.

Adolf Hitler took Darwin’s evolutionary philosophy to its logical conclusions. For example, he wrote in Mein Kampf:

Such a dispensation of Nature is quite logical. Every crossing between two breeds which are not quite equal results in a product which holds an intermediate place between the levels of the two parents. This means that the offspring will indeed be superior to the parent which stands in the biologically lower order of being, but not so high as the higher parent. For this reason it must eventually succumb in any struggle against the higher species. Such mating contradicts the will of Nature towards the selective improvements of life in general. The favorable preliminary to this improvement is not to mate individuals of higher and lower orders of being but rather to allow the complete triumph of the higher order. The stronger must dominate and not mate with the weaker, which would signify the sacrifice of its own higher nature. Only the born weakling can look upon this principle as cruel, and if he does so it is merely
because he is of a feebler nature and narrower mind; for if such a law did not direct the process of evolution then the higher development of organic life would not be conceivable at all.62 (emphasis added)

My logical conclusion is one; that without a higher love we are doomed and that we must first learn to love each other in order to love God.

You are certainly capable of changing things if you want to that is. allow me to point something out to you, that you, yourself, just said;

“but the latest elected leaders have succumbed to petty greed and avarice.”

These same things happen all over the world but brave souls like you stood up and first said something. Then they garnered support. Then they changed things. The people are wanting it. You are of the people so you want it too. All you need to do, is lead. Are you a leader Lenny?

Some Quotes:

“Dissatisfaction and discouragement are not caused by the absence of things but the absence of vision”
- Anonymous

“Example is not the main thing in influencing others, it is the only thing”
- Albert Schweitzer

“Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds”
- Albert Einstein

“Happiness is that state of consciousness which proceeds from the achievement of one’s values”
- Ayn Rand

“If you think you are too small to be effective, you have never been in the dark with a mosquito”
- Anonymous